From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 05 05:12:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16761 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 12:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 12:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 12:12:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DImtG-000103-8q for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:10:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DImsz-0000zc-FC; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:10:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DImsi-0000zT-CD for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:10:08 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DImsg-0000yl-Ji for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:10:08 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1884536wri for ; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eoRbMrcv+sngThQ5V+8txMUR72v7g+KE2MDgt5cEc8aX3DuuEQwnkLfS4iTUw2iZy2b+65BhelaLGDBus3jRoK2ADztjVizfIMyrPlkniT9qh8mKioxoGXShKKYhIvKkABGKCQfWPjiSTtLm0myX6EFEo4BpO522uRncejVvwvc= Received: by 10.54.84.18 with SMTP id h18mr690216wrb; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560504050509351b330d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:09:33 -0300 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9766 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: tanru X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24122 On Apr 5, 2005 8:47 AM, opi_lauma wrote: > > ta blabi xirma > > That's a white horse. > > > > That's unlikely to be interpreted as {lo nu ta xirma cu blabi}. > > Why not? If I say {lo nu la tam tavla la meris} I see the following > picture "Two persons, Tom and Marry, and the first person tells > something to the second person", then I use this picture as a sumti. > In the same way, if I say {lo nu ta xirma} I have in mind picture of > horse, and then this picture can be used as sumti in a sentence, to > say, for example, that it (sumti) is white. I would prefer {lo nu ta xirma cu nu blabi}, "the event of that thing being a horse is an event of (something) being white". Another case: la djan ba finpe kalte John will fish hunt. That's definitely not {lo nu la djan ba kalte cu finpe}. mu'o mi'e xorxes