From opi_lauma@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 03:48:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5925 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 64162 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 10:48:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3LdyeoLuLRd7JjLid8GF6P4qPAK8fyfNaoCoBcDs4RhTUT9JjHVWm3ndsV/Q+dBTOi1zZv6cEuTYbO5BlUaDE1Eg7KkK7CfCj9VWfoD3rjrXL4OBEEvn8ezrrfe7tiR8kIdE0rrEIfpnfkjtIYdGX3RPGxDUe2yVD4s4i/h3dUE= ; Message-ID: <20050412104848.64160.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:48:48 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:48:48 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma Subject: Re: {X1 selbri X2} = {X2 se selbri X1}? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216990827 X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24172 > {melbi tavla} and {melbi se tavla} are tanru, and as > such are ambiguous. > Now we can reason that {le se tavla} is an audience > so {le melbi se tavla} > is a beautiful audience. In the reference grammar the following is written: 9.10) la tam. [cu] melbi tavla la meris. Tom beautifully-talks to Mary. "beautifully" and "talks" are connected by "-", it means that "beauty" is property of "talk". So I would conclude that {le melbi tavla} is {beautiful speaker} in the sense that he is beautiful as speaker, and in the same way {le melbi se tavla} I would translate as {beautiful audience}, BUT as earlier I would say that beauty is a property of "being talked by", i.e. {X cu le melbi se tavla} means that X is beautiful in being talked, i.e. X is beautiful in doing nothing. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail