From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 22 14:39:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25745 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 21:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 21:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 21:39:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5ra-0008EI-72 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:39:02 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5rD-0008DX-Cf; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5qs-0008DK-Jp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5qh-0008Cd-Rz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1022746wri for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.16.52 with SMTP id 52mr721751wrp; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560504221437179df127@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:37:36 -0300 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Something Wittgenstein wrote ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24230 On 4/21/05, Ryan Gray, wrote: > Whether or not you agree or disagree with Wittgenstein or the people > he is mentioning, how would one say: "after death a timeless state > will begin", or: "at death a timeless state begins" in Lojban ba/ca lo nu morsi kei lo temcau tcini cu cfari >and > would you be able to do so without making the mistake Wittgenstein is > talking about? The mistake, according to Wittgenstein, is to _say that_. You can say that (i.e. make the mistake) in any language. If you don't make the mistake, you would be saying something different, wouldn't you? mu'o mi'e xorxes