From opi_lauma@yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 08:37:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79006 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 19310 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2005 15:37:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=shF7yupvND+z3eciPxve4Fvv9KuLAg5M0RmQSt8lJRx4RpeGm5FgnWPPekIBVRYAky88QKe8MilcpnCu/UrLBZue1UYqJry+oGNyqsGAIrHBd3d31lZJpeLxgfFwxYipOHln7njkpJudH+ES4A5va0PYASeQZyIZXBC5mYx6wM4= ; Message-ID: <20050411153746.19308.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:37:46 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma Subject: Re: {X1 selbri X2} = {X2 se selbri X1}? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216990827 X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24169 >Opi Lauma, >you are expecting everything to be verbs, but lojban >works on relationships. A >verb is an action, but a relationship between two >things could be a property, >not an action. The relationship between Tom and Mary >is "talking" and that >relationship is described as "beautiful." I would agree that "talking" is that, what is "beautiful". No matter whether we consider {la tam. melbi tavla la meris.} or {la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.}. I like such interpretation, because there I can see a system. However, in reference crammer {la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.} has been translated as {Mary is a beautiful-audience for Tom.}. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs