From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 26 08:58:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98811 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 15:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 15:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 15:58:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DQSRt-0003Qt-Ot for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:58:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DQSQz-0003Px-S4; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:57:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DQSQn-0003PZ-0C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:57:01 -0700 Received: from web81301.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DQSQk-0003PF-HU for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20050426155626.71349.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:56:26 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9877 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: {xu} - question. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24246 --- Opi Lauma wrote: > > coi > > Is it right that {mi vecnu ti xu ta}, implies > that {mi > vecnu zo'e ta} is thru and I just want to know > what is > {zo'e}, or more precisely I even have a > supposition > about {zo'e}, I think that (it is/may be) {ti}? > > ki'e .i co'o mi'e .opilaumas Off the main point (though on an earlier one), but would this question be appopriate given {mi vecnu zo'e ta}? {zo'e} indicates that it is unnecessary to mention an argument here, since it is either obvious or indifferent. In either case, checking on a particular choice seem beside the point, though can be saved with a bit more context. These question patterns are more natural, however, with {da} or {vecnu fi ta}.