From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 15 14:31:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3111 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 21:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2005 21:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 21:31:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYPm-0004N1-Uf for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:50 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYPK-0004MU-Cn; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYP8-0004ML-Rl for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:10 -0700 Received: from web81301.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYP6-0004LT-AX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20050415213036.34191.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:30:36 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9848 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: {zdile} mi na nelci zo bai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24205 --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > Robin: > >> mi na nelci zo bai >> mi cu nelci zo mai >> .e zo nai .e zo doi .e zo cai >> >> ku'i le rempai >> poi finti zo bai >> .e zo cau .e zo mau .e zo rai >> >> se catra mi .ai >> te va'u je kai >> lo ka mi ba tcetce gleki sai >> >> "it's also the only one I've seen that >>maintains rhyme >> and meter throughout" > > 3- it doesn't exactly maintain rhyme and meter. > Syllable > counts are 6-6-9 5-5-9 5-5-9, and do you want > to stress > "ZO doi E zo CAI" to match "TCEtce GLEki SAI"? > A previous go-round on Lojban poetry suggested (and argued convincingly for) that Lojban meter was a matter of *stressed* syllables per line, the unstressed ones being permitted to run to (almost, I suppose) any length. By that standard we have (assuming words after {zo} are stressed) 2-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-0-2. I assume there are some further stress rules that bring this more into line, but it is still not quite on.