From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 08 10:35:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86907 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 17:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 17:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 17:35:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxNj-0001QF-Eb for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:59 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxN7-0001Pu-HX; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxMv-0001Ph-9P for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:09 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxMr-0001P2-Os for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20050408173334.49345.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:33:34 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:33:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Hintikka on Quantifier Scope X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24146 --- 2 = 3 wrote: > John E Clifford wrote: > > >I seem to recall something like this > >was proposed once a long while ago using > modified > >Skolem functions in place of particular > >quantifiers (and eventually groups -- bunches > -- > >for value to make the numeric cases work). > > > > It would be interesting to see the Skolem > function proposal. > > Loglan (!) gets round the issue by explicitly > declaring the mapping, if > I recall correctly. > I wonder if the proposal was not back in the Loglan days; I can't find it in any Lojban material I can search. When I try to reconstruct it, the plan that feels most familiar has a cmavo sumti which takes subordinate arguments of the variables or whatnot that govern it, on the order of {foo be da bei gy (referring back lo gerku} bei ko'a} and so on. But I have no guarantee that this faithfully reproduces the proposal (or, come to that, that the proposal does not exist only in my nonveridical memory).