From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 06 22:13:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 May 2005 22:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DUHcb-0004WO-94 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:13:01 -0700 Received: from n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUHcZ-0004Vq-7g for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:13:01 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=AFnPlYRco+EsjxY2/4S137PzO6KjQsmD7HKBErr/Prs2E2NlTzFiP2QAaWrxm3O3DgHGT7xNuK1VMBgtDa8tztHlG4wwO/7c0/xRXLFCLRR9dsitodWvlymCE/NZUfYp; Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 05:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2005 05:12:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70727 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([67.188.127.240]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j475CHX10428; Fri, 6 May 2005 23:12:17 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20050506225536.70090.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050506225536.70090.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2a70410f3d0e44f1f6284d2ae07b0389@xahlee.org> Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 206.130.99.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: xah lee X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:00:42 -0700 Subject: [lojban] Re: how to pronounce ai Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-archive-position: 9944 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xah@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ... i don't think i got it... in e'osai, is it supposed to be o SA i, or os AI ? the first is with the “ahh” sound, while the latter is with the “eye” sound. > Go find a DDR machine. > Play the song "Butterfly". DDR huh? Xah xah@xahlee.org ∑ http://xahlee.org/ On May 6, 2005, at 3:55 PM, John E Clifford wrote: --- xah lee wrote: > how to pronounce ai? > > example: > > e'osai ko sarji la lojban. > Please support Lojban! > > is it simply combining the standard lojban > pronunciation for a, > followed by i, or is “ai” taken as special > combination vow and > pronounced as the i in like? > Yes. That is, it is the combination of /a/ and /i/ and that is pronounced like the /i/ in /like/. What is special here is that the /i/ is reduced to a glide in this context (also in /oi/ and /ei/), the tongue and lips moving toward but not necessarily reaching the /i/ position. In practice, the first vowel is also raised a bit in each of these cases, but not enough to justify calling it a real modification. The same happens with /au/ and -- with the glide going the opposite directions -- with /iV/ and /uV/ (V for any vowel). To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links ☄ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/