From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 05 06:09:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92446 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 13:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2005 13:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 13:09:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTg62-0005J3-Qw for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:08:56 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTg59-0005IF-FJ; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:08:03 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 May 2005 06:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTg4H-0005Ht-Q2 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:07:05 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTg49-0005HX-1x for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:07:05 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so104274wra for ; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.36.79 with SMTP id j79mr180936wrj; Thu, 05 May 2005 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Thu, 5 May 2005 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d1756050505060650110fb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:06:22 -0300 In-Reply-To: <737b61f305050416391251a54d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f305050416391251a54d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9928 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: .aunai and .a'unai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24301 In my experience {au} and {a'u} are not used all that much, and {au nai} and {a'u nai} even less. I can report what my usage of them has been so far: I use {au} to express wishes rather than desire (in Spanish, "deseo" means both "wish" and "desire", so that's my excuse). Importantly, I normally don't use a bridi tagged with {au} to make an assertion but simply to express the content of a wish. These are the {au} examples I have for the BPFK definitions: .au lo tricu cu krati lo ro se genja gi'e sfasa lo kusru be gy "Would that the trees might speak on behalf of all things that have roots, and punish those that wrong them!" (That's a quote from from Lord of the Rings.) .aunai ta tai kargu "I wish those weren't so expensive." .aucu'i makau jinga "I don't really care who wins." So basically I use {aunai} for {au ... na ...} a negative wish. {a'u} is very different. I have used it mainly to show interest as a response to what someone has said (i.e. "that's interesting") or to tag a question so that the question is understood as not just as a formal or burocratic request for info but as something I'm really interested in. {a'unai} I don't think I have actually used, but I wrote this as an example: .a'unai ta panci simsa lo kalci "Yuck, that smells like shit!" mu'o mi'e xorxes