From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 18 13:17:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53270 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 20:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 20:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 20:17:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUzN-0000yM-Dl for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:17:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUy5-0000x7-8E; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUxt-0000ww-0t for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:25 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUxq-0000wL-Un for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:24 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so371303wri for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.35.77 with SMTP id i77mr507328wri; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560505181315581ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:15:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20050518183420.GL4653@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050517181815.12588.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> <20050518183420.GL4653@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24334 On 5/18/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > This is really bizarre to me, because to me only *people* are crazy. > > There are actions that only a crazy person would take, but it's the > preson that's crazy, not the actions. In English, "crazy" can be used both for people or for actions. "He's crazy" and "that's crazy" are both perfectly idiomatic as far as I can tell. In Lojban, according to the gi'uste, there are certain gismu places that are reserved for events and from which people or objects are explicitly excluded. It is very hard to guess which places are like that, and which will happily take both people and events. For example the x1 of {xajmi} explicitly allows both people and events. I have never quite understood the rationale behind the distinction. mu'o mi'e xorxes