From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 18 11:35:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57325 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 18:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 18:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 18:35:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTOF-0007Ld-ME for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:35:31 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTNT-0007KM-U3; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTN6-0007K1-Gb for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:20 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTN6-0007Ju-EL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <20050518183420.GL4653@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050517181815.12588.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050517181815.12588.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-archive-position: 9961 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24333 On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:18:15AM -0700, John E Clifford wrote: > > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > All of the major words used in the definition of fenki (crazy, > > insane, mad, frantic, frenzy) apply primarily to *people*, at > > least in the dictionaries I'm looking at. > > > > Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event? > > Either politeness or an entrenched notion of psychology: people > aren't crazy, only their actions are. That would be fine if there was a place for the person committing the action, but there isn't. The definition quite clearly states that it is the x1 event itself that is crazy. This is really bizarre to me, because to me only *people* are crazy. There are actions that only a crazy person would take, but it's the preson that's crazy, not the actions. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/