From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 18 16:15:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84537 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 23:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 23:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 23:15:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYXiL-0007P5-F8 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:12:33 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYXhe-0007OC-OC; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:11:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 May 2005 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYXhF-0007Nt-Cn for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:11:25 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYXhB-0007NJ-R4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:11:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20050518231050.9199.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:10:50 PDT Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9963 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24336 This makes perfect sense to me, but language use is agin you. And, of course, noncrazy people can and do do crazy things (i.e, I suppose, things that we would normally take to be the actions of crazy people). I suppose it is easier to get crazy people out of crazy acts than conversely. Note too that {ta'u ko'e fenki} certain cases ko'e in a less than sane role. --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:18:15AM -0700, John > E Clifford wrote: > > > > --- Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > All of the major words used in the > definition of fenki (crazy, > > > insane, mad, frantic, frenzy) apply > primarily to *people*, at > > > least in the dictionaries I'm looking at. > > > > > > Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event? > > > > Either politeness or an entrenched notion of > psychology: people > > aren't crazy, only their actions are. > > That would be fine if there was a place for the > person committing > the action, but there isn't. The definition > quite clearly states > that it is the x1 event itself that is crazy. > > This is really bizarre to me, because to me > only *people* are crazy. > > There are actions that only a crazy person > would take, but it's the > preson that's crazy, not the actions. > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their > Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - > http://singinst.org/ > > > >