From opi_lauma@yahoo.com Thu May 19 04:12:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73578 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 11:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 11:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.129) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 11:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74958 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2005 11:12:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050519111254.74956.qmail@web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2005 04:12:54 PDT Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:12:54 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma Subject: {le} and {lo}. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216990827 X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24340 Hi all, I try to understand the usage of {le} and {lo}. The analogy with English articles “the” and “a/an” does not help me to much since I am not native English speaker. However, I think that I understood the usage of {le}. Actually {le X} means that I speak about some earlier selected (defined) subset of elements from set X, for example: 1. le gerku - the dog(s) (one speaks about dog(s) which has/have been defined earlier). 2. ci le gerku - three of the dogs (one speaks about some three (it is not known which three exactly) dogs from earlier defined group of dogs). 3. le ci gerku - the three dogs (one speaks about the three earlier defined dogs). 4. re le ci gerku (one speaks about some two dogs, from earlier defined group consisting of three dogs). I think that it is no use to say the two dogs of the three dogs {le re le ci gerku}, since if we know which two dogs it is spoken about, we do not need to know to which group of dogs these two dogs belong. Did I correctly understand everything? About {lo}. Is it right that {lo gerku} = {le N gerku}, where N is a number of all {gerku} in the world? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail