From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 04 16:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92383 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 23:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 23:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 23:40:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTTU2-0008FS-MB for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:50 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTTTW-0008EV-UU; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTTTI-0008EA-6a for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:04 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTTTH-0008Dh-1S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:04 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so393742nzp for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.9.12 with SMTP id 12mr269433nzi; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.66.10 with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f305050416391251a54d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:39:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9925 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Chris Capel From: Chris Capel Reply-To: pdf23ds@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] .aunai and .a'unai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24298 I'm learning the attitudinals based on the definitions in the reference grammar, and I've come across a couple of definitions that seem to be backwards. In the grammar, .au desire indifference reluctance .a'u interest no interest repulsion However, it seems to me that repulsion is more opposite desire than it is interest, and likewise, reluctance is more opposite interest than desire. This could be a typo, but one that's been copied to various places on the internet already. Does anyone agree that these seem to be backwards? What usage has been established? FWIW, I noticed because I kept getting .au and .a'u confused when learning the attitudinals in Supermemo, and I finally realized that this seemed to be the reason. So my gut instinct was to treat repulsion as opposite of desire and reluctance opposite of interest, before I had even realized there was a conflict in the definitions. I think this is relatively strong evidence that they're reversed, if usage hasn't been established. There's no mention of this in the errata for CLL. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)