From xah@xahlee.org Fri May 06 22:12:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70727 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([67.188.127.240]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j475CHX10428; Fri, 6 May 2005 23:12:17 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20050506225536.70090.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050506225536.70090.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Message-Id: <2a70410f3d0e44f1f6284d2ae07b0389@xahlee.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:00:42 -0700 To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 206.130.99.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: xah lee Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: how to pronounce ai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139458407 X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24317 ... i don't think i got it... in e'osai, is it supposed to be o SA i, or os AI ? the first is with the =E2=80=9Cahh=E2=80=9D sound, while the latter is with= the =E2=80=9Ceye=E2=80=9D=20 sound. > Go find a DDR machine. > Play the song "Butterfly". DDR huh? Xah xah@xahlee.org =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ On May 6, 2005, at 3:55 PM, John E Clifford wrote: --- xah lee wrote: > how to pronounce ai? > > example: > > e'osai ko sarji la lojban. > Please support Lojban! > > is it simply combining the standard lojban > pronunciation for a, > followed by i, or is =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9Cai=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D taken as spec= ial > combination vow and > pronounced as the i in like? > Yes. That is, it is the combination of /a/ and /i/ and that is pronounced like the /i/ in /like/. What is special here is that the /i/ is reduced to a glide in this context (also in /oi/ and /ei/), the tongue and lips moving toward but not necessarily reaching the /i/ position. In practice, the first vowel is also raised a bit in each of these cases, but not enough to justify calling it a real modification. The same happens with /au/ and -- with the glide going the opposite directions -- with /iV/ and /uV/ (V for any vowel). To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links =E2=98=84=20