From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri May 27 08:01:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97744 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 15:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 15:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 15:01:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbgJU-0004lu-06 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:59:52 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DbgIq-0004kz-7m; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:59:15 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 May 2005 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbgIL-0004kN-9B for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:58:41 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbgIK-0004kG-Rz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:58:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20050527145840.GI21667@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050525155341.78255.qmail@web33411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42974CDA.3020307@bilkent.edu.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42974CDA.3020307@bilkent.edu.tr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-archive-position: 10061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Again {lo}. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rMdvF9oAnH1NARRFE46UIR_AsJiX6JzvrS86swo9Qem0ORj1Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24432 On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 12:37:46PM -0400, robin wrote: > Opi Lauma wrote: > >>For example to say that the dog is man's best friend > > > >you > > > >>would use {lo gerku}: {lo gerku cu xagrai pendo lo remna} > > > > > >OK, in this example {lo gerku} means neither "all dogs" nor "some > >dogs", it rather means "most of dogs" isn't? Really, we can say > >that "the dog is man's best friend" only if MOST OF DOGS are > >man's best friends. Or the same {lo gerku} can be replaced here > >by "a typical dog" without changes in meaning, I think. So, are > >"most of ..." and "a typical ..." correct substitution for {lo}? > >If "Yes", can this interpretation be used always? By the way in > >English sentence "The" has been used and in lojban {lo}. Why? > > {lo gerku cu pendo lo remna} means that there is at least one dog, > such that it is a friend to at least one human, Not under the BPFK it doesn't. Or at least, not *necessarily*. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How%20to%20use%20xorlo In particular, {lo} can mean {lo'e}, being totally generic. (Of course, technically the BPFK isn't done yet, and hence the BPFK's lo could change; I wouldn't hold your breath, though) -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/