From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jun 03 19:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77201 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 02:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2005 02:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 02:05:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DeO2a-0002ZA-7O for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DeO2J-0002Ym-Km; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DeO27-0002Yc-Ij for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:07 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DeO23-0002YH-1a for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:07 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so639451wra for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.26.62 with SMTP id 62mr1599873wrz; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605060319053f14f99e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:05:01 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20050604012348.GQ30604@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1gxfzw1.1vq6qi71spv8amM%kpreid@mac.com> <20050604012348.GQ30604@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A word "number of". It shouldn't be that hard. Yeesh. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=g022_Zbl1ZGqeusoeMJjIScnYJlARxM2TIPpPJS0oyJPZAsuYA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24470 On 6/3/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 10:30:55PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: > > What's the appropriate selbri for "x1 is the number of > > members/cardinality of set x2"? > > > > {mei} is obvious, but does not have an ordinary place for the > > number, so can't be used directly for a sumti referring to the > > number. > > > > So far, I see: > > > > lo se zilkancu be sy. > > > > lo se klani be sy. -- what's the x3? > > > > da poi de vei mo'e ke'a ve'o mei sy. ku'o > > I have no idea. I'm just hoping someone else will notice. For precision, {zilkancu}, which can't be confused with anything else. zil-words are ugly, but I suppose we have to get used to them. See . For everyday use, {klani} is probably enough. I use the x3 for the units, which is the useful thing to have rather than for a scale. If you insist on following the gi'uste on that, then {lo se gradu be} will convert from scale to units. So: ta klani li ci lo plise Those are 3 apples. or: ta klani li ci lo se gradu be lo plise Those are three on a scale whose units are apples. mu'o mi'e xorxes