From opi_lauma@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 09:02:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98027 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 16:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1923 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2005 16:02:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20050615160226.1921.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:02:26 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:02:26 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma Subject: No default quantifiers. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216990827; y=6vgkXP6HJezCD_NCBDRkT0ZrwogjUisII5p8HmhsgX-S_Je_ X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24539 Hello. In the Lojban-Wiki I have found the following: There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of "lo" used to be "su'o", which means "at least one", but that is no longer the case. "lo cribe" could be one, or a billion, or none. I do not understand what for the default quantifier {su'o} has been removed. Now if I say {lo cribe cu danlu} I say nothing. Because this expression is always true. If only one bear is animal it is true, if none bear is animal it is also true, if there are arbitrary number of bears which are animals it is also true. So, I get no information from {lo cribe cu danlu}, i. e. this sentence contains no information. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/