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Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban for Beginners lesson 12 answers
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Opi Lauma wrote:
> I know how Moscow and St. Petersburg sound in Russian (some think
> like “masKVA” and “sank pietierBURK”). And I think that correct
> Lojban names are {la masKVA} and {la sank pietierBURK}, respectively.

I'd rather write {pitirburk} or at least {pitierburk}, because the yot 
is too much, IMHO.

> There is an official transliteration system for transforming names
> written in Cyrillic into Latin symbols. According to this system
> Moscow is Moskva. However, the second “o” sounds not like Lojban’s

Transliterations (nothing to do with transcription) don't matter, 
especially "official" ones (there are many of them, some use 
apostrophes, some quotes (for the soft and hard signs) and some use "jj" 
for "й"! Some people have problems in airports because of the 
apostrophes and quotes in their names.

> “o” (since in Russian there is no one to one correspondence between
> letters and sounds). The “o” in Moskva sound similar with Lojban’s
> “a” (in English “but”). Strictly speaking it sounds a little bit
> different, but anyway it is closer to “a” rather to Lojban’s schwa
> “y” (like in English America).

Hahaha, the Cyrillic transcription used for Russian (somewhere ... why 
don't they try IPA? it would be something like мъ-сква in the mentioned 
transcription) made me think of {la m,skuas.}, as a syllabic "m" seems 
to make the sound.

> Moreover, Russian “e” is definitely not  Lojban’s “e”. It is why I
> have replaced “e” by “ie” in St. Petersburg.

Hm, {la lojban mo.} gives [ɛ] and [e] for the "e". The latter is the one 
I'd use.


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