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> > >I consider it purely locational too, it's just that I don't
> > >accept that something that is not there can serve to indicate a
> > >location. {bu'u le karce} means "at the location of the car", not
> > >"at any location the car ever was or will be". {bu'u lo nu pu
> > >salci} indicates the location where a party was held in the past,
> > >not a location where, for example, at some point in the future, a
> > >party will have been held in the past.
>
> Who wrote that, by the way?
>

Jorge wrote it.