From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jun 05 06:33:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74885 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 13:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 13:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 13:33:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DevEc-00006C-VC for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:32:15 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DevDY-00005K-NK; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:31:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DevCW-0008W1-EN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:30:05 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DevC0-0008VX-0X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20050605132930.60900.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.143.141.196] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:29:30 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 06:29:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: How to say "depends"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=pFsGKvPOgt_ZcYlqiaGI3ErvcA438blCwFRFVv8ptt9nA6nOWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24474 --- Opi Lauma wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a trivial question which I cannot > answer. How to say in Lojban “depends” (in > physical or mathematical sence)? In the list of > gismu I have found the following two > possibilities. > > > 1. lacri [ lac ] rely > > x1 relies/depends/counts on/trusts x2 to bring > about/ensure/maintain x3 (event/state) > > > 2. fancu [ ] function > x1 is a function/single-valued mapping from > domain x2 to range x3 defined by > expression/rule x4 > > > > However the first one I do not like since it is > related with such subjective terms as “relies” > and “trusts”. The second option is problematic > since fancu is a single-valued mapping and I > need to describe many variable function. > I'm not perfectly sure what "single-valued mapping" intended but it probably should mean that for any given input -- which may have any number of components -- it yiields a unique output ("value"). So, the domain might be a set of ordered n-tuples, not just single items. If that is what you want, a function from input to output, then {fancu} is probably your best word. Or some compound of it, if there are details tht need special treatment.