From opi_lauma@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 11:02:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2426 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 18:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 18:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 18:02:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 18:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 18:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 18:01:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:01:50 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <925d1756050615103522c3355@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 84.176.114.9 From: "opi_lauma" Subject: Re: No default quantifiers. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216990827; y=LOWZ-i646NL5xJBcuB3P_zcLwTP-o4Bc_kw5Zm2ygWxeCxqp X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24547 > > In the Lojban-Wiki I have found the following: > > > > There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, > > the default outer quantifier of "lo" used to be > > "su'o", which means "at least one", but that is no > > longer the case. "lo cribe" could be one, or a > > billion, or none. > > It couldn't be none, {lo cribe} has to refer to something for > a sentence about it to make sense. I hope you are right, but it is written in the Lojban-Wiki: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How+to+use+xorlo&bl So, may be it should be corrected? > > > I do not understand what for the default quantifier > > {su'o} has been removed. Now if I say {lo cribe cu > > danlu} I say nothing. Because this expression is > > always true. > > "Bears are animals" is always true, but that doesn't > mean it says nothing. It says that bears are animals. Ok. Now I see that I had to be more precise. I wanted to say that this expression is true, no matter how many bears are animals particularly it is true even if none bears are animals (it is written explicitly in Wiki). Therefore if anybody say me that {lo cribe cu danlu} I think that may be one bear is animal, may be all bears are animal, or may be none bear is animal. So I do not know whether bears are animals. May be yes, may be no. Sentence {lo cribe cu danlu } says me about this nothing.