From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jun 06 07:47:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71408 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIZ3-0001k8-Ma for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:26:54 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIYG-0001ii-Vt; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:26:08 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIXs-0001i8-KV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:40 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIXk-0001hk-1s for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:40 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so3022662wri for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.15.75 with SMTP id 75mr1994260wro; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605060607252d4ccf24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:31 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20050606073343.54236.qmail@web33407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050606073343.54236.qmail@web33407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: How to say "depends"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_gFt6O4BzJeN4F2JmvD2Zo0qRVbZ-XT7GFPYzO2_EDc7SZK7Og X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24480 We want a relationship like "value x1 depends on value x2 according to function x3", so not a relationship between a range of values and a domain of values (which is all {fancu} provides) but one between two values. {ckini} is "x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3", which is almost what we want: what we need to add is that the relatiopnship x3 is a function (i.e. not any mapping but one that maps any value of the domain to a single value of the range), so perhaps something like this would work: fancyki'i: x1 is the value corresponding to value x2 by relationship x3 which is a function from domain x4 (containing x2) to range x5 (containing x1)". {fancymapti} could be a similar option. Of course {ckini} and {mapti} can be used by themselves even when the relationship involved is a function, especially for non-technical stuff. mu'o mi'e xorxes