From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jun 20 08:21:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94777 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 15:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 15:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 15:21:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkO5f-0002kf-H2 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:35 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkO5M-0002kM-Pp; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkO5B-0002k4-AC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:05 -0700 Received: from web81302.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkO56-0002jm-TD for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:21:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 96634 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2005 15:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20050620152059.96632.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.50.91] by web81302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:20:59 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200506201344.j5KDiLTd003997@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban neography X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=QDvbfTzSOCfrV8y3jI7LB0WvrCDTvFLW3cpXDUWcBGjj314fiw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24586 The displayed sample lacks /y/. Since the prinmciples for vowel construction are not clear, I have no suggestion how that might go. --- Matt Arnold wrote: > coi rodo, > A couple of years ago I read of Eric S. > Raymond's Tengwar orthography for Lojban > (http://www.catb.org/~esr/tengwar/lojban-tengwar.html) > and it got me thinking about Lojban alphabets. > I had an idea which I've been working on for a > couple of years, to design an alphabet along > certain principles: > 1. Each word would be written without the pen > leaving the page; no dotting i's or crossing > t's. A gap in the line would represent the > period character, which is a pause. > 2. Unlike cursive, the baseline would be in the > vertical center instead of at the bottom, so > that voiced consonants and vowels would tend to > be descenders, and unvoiced consonants would > tend to be ascenders. > 3. Voiced and unvoiced equivalent sounds would > be upside-down versions of the same character. > 4. Labial plosives resemble a lip, dental > plosives resemble a tooth, m and n resemble a > pair of nostrils, and so on. The resemblance is > vague and evocative rather than literal of > course, given the quick simplicity necessary > for an alphabet. > I gave serious thought to the issue of > making characters to represent very common > words, the way that we have ampersand, number > sign, and the "at" sign in English. > Specifically I would like there to be > characters for {le}, {lo}, {la}, {mi}, {do}, > {cu}, {nu}. and {gi'e}. These can be added at a > later date. > Of course it's not necessary to make the > alphabet official in the canon, but it seems > fun to me to have it available. It would be > nice to have a page on the wiki for those who > would enjoy tinkering with such a project. Here > is a link to the alphabet: > http://www.geocities.com/nemorathwald/lojban_alphabet.jpg > Please try writing sentences in it and help > me find places where two characters (that can > follow each other legally in Lojban) would > appear misleading together. When it has > survived such a trial I will submit it to the > neography section of www.Langmaker.com. > -epkat > > > _______________________________________________________ > Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. > http://www.e-mol.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >