From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jun 13 06:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83724 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2005 13:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2005 13:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2005 13:08:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DhodF-0005YH-LL for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:05:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhocq-0005Xu-N5; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:05:16 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhoca-0005XS-Uu for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:57 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.203]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhocW-0005XK-5w for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:56 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1173017wri for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.44 with SMTP id g44mr2507184wrg; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605061306044711766@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:04:50 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200506130847.39565.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050613121428.66216.qmail@web33414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200506130847.39565.phma@phma.hn.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Un-definite quantifier. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=aAWhUKbY36paUQRGU-nPuww12806tUjD6K4hPkfdaQ0uiC6CNw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24517 On 6/13/05, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Putting a number after {lo} is different before > and after xorlo: before, {re lo ci gerku} meant two of the three dogs which > are all the dogs there are It still means that. It just doesn't mean that these are all the dogs there are on Earth, or in the whole Universe, or that ever lived or will live, but just those in the contextual universe of discourse. >(you now say {re le ro ci lo gerku}); now, it > means six dogs, which are in two groups of three. That's {re loi ci gerku} = {re gunma be lo ci gerku}, "two (groups of) three dogs". mu'o mi'e xorxes