From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jun 20 07:58:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60928 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkNjJ-00029j-Od for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:58:29 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkNj5-00029C-0A; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:58:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkNis-00028o-DY for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:58:02 -0700 Received: from thor.idns5.com ([66.246.72.94]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1DkNin-00028c-K8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:58:02 -0700 Received: from nat.dmc.org ([155.139.3.14]:33092 helo=[10.9.30.130]) by thor.idns5.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DkNiZ-0001CP-6j; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:57:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200506201448.j5KEmNTd012798@mole.e-mol.com> References: <1119217594.8641.7.camel@localhost> <200506201344.j5KDiLTd003997@mole.e-mol.com> <200506201448.j5KEmNTd012798@mole.e-mol.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thor.idns5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fastmail.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: brucewebber@fastmail.us X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Bruce Webber From: Bruce Webber Reply-To: brucewebber@fastmail.us Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban neography X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=D5iy2LntBL5uzR23_0gq9VpvTfKvXFMNq9IHiGqkYGccFv5Sug X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24585 Hi Matt, --On Monday, June 20, 2005 10:48 AM -0400 Matt Arnold wrote: > I didn't keep optional things in mind. However, since people will want > to use Lojbanized names with irregular stress, and talk about {selma'o}, > an alternate character set analogous to capitals will be needed. As for > the comma syllable separator, I've never seen it used and it seems > utterly unnecessary to me. These could be expansion projects but not very > high priority personally. By the way, I'm currently working on > arranging a MessyBoard (www.messyboard.org) for Lojbanists to use on > things like this. -epkat If you don't have spaces between words, then you need a way of indicating stress. (With spaces between words, the stress falls on the penultimate syllable by default, and does not have to be indicated.) Without stress indication the speech stream could be parsed in more than one way. It would also be nice to allow for words to be denoted - perhaps a flat line on the baseline. That way the pen does not have to be lifted, but the letters would be grouped. That might also solve the stress denotation problem. -- Bruce Webber brucewebber@fastmail.us http://www.mountainvision.net