From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jun 12 16:40:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67723 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2005 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhc49-0004Jv-D5 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:40:33 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhc3b-0004JH-4O; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:40:00 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhc3O-0004J8-6C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:39:46 -0700 Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dhc3I-0004Iw-Vn for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:39:46 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A53736772; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mehendicancy Squad Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:39:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20050612094106.96861.qmail@web33408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050612094106.96861.qmail@web33408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200506121939.36566.phma@phma.hn.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban for Beginners lesson 12 answers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=JKPKwVzxyMRFN95-g6Qh4U0MbTEOFUAn5ahcffNbxpisEBrzGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24511 On Sunday 12 June 2005 05:41, Opi Lauma wrote: > I do not understand why transformation “o” into “a” is “reduction”. For > example in German “sch” should be pronounced like Lojban’s “c” and this > sound is not reduction of three sounds (“s”, “c”, and “h”) this sound > (Lojban’s “c”) has nothing common with sounds corresponding to letters > “sch”. It is a rule of reading. The same story is with the first “o” in {la > moskov}. It stays there only because of historical reasons and has nothing > common with sound “o”. The stress on the syllable is reduced, the effort put into pronouncing the vowel is reduced, and the number of distinct vowels in an unstressed syllable is reduced compared to a stressed one. Another use of "reduced", which puzzles me, is "reduced to writing". When the sound values of a previously undeciphered writing system are figured out, is it "oxidized to speech"? phma -- A man found gold and left a rope; but he who found No gold he left did tie the rope around.