From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jul 10 23:41:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61127 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 06:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 06:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 06:41:43 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Drrvx-0004DN-Lg for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:38:29 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Drru6-0004Av-13; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Drrtp-0004Ag-5P for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:17 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Drrto-0004AZ-U9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20050711063616.GQ2449@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <42CFF51F.9030200@yandex.ru> <20050710010737.GM2449@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42D10237.7030501@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42D10237.7030501@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-archive-position: 10271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: zo tergafselsa'a X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=FGrSppgFOGRs2o4tOgT1ItVipyzjiyFrcxvOXFrqTK2VijYgsw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24644 On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 03:10:47PM +0400, Aleksej R. Serdyukov wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >It's fine except that "te galfi se sanga" isn't a parody; it's > >any cover of a song at all at all, parody or otherwise. > > Yes, and I don't see any real difference between a song parody and > a song with one word changed... Umm, then we're having a problem with the definition of the word parody: par·o·dy Audio pronunciation of "parody" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-d) n. pl. par·o·dies 1. 1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. 2. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. 3. Music. The practice of reworking an already established composition, especially the incorporation into the Mass of material borrowed from other works, such as motets or madrigals. I was using sense 1. It appears you might have been using sense 3, but that seems to be rather specialized (motets and madrigals). In general, a not-necessarily-ridiculing alteration of a song is called a cover. > If you make a word to differ them, how would you decide if you > make little changes? I have no idea what you're asking here. > >Oh, and singer != author of song. You might want to come up with > >something for "piece of music" that has an author place first, > >and no audience, i.e. "piece of music" in the infinitive. > > .y. ki'a > > Wouldn't it be longer? Then the lujvo you had? Probably, yes. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.