From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jul 16 18:26:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86793 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 01:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 01:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 01:26:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dtxvl-0001jp-Iy for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:26:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dtxt1-0001gp-AV; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:24:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dtxsb-0001gg-LB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:41 -0700 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.50) id 1DtxsX-0001gY-LD for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:41 -0700 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j6H1NZTd010650 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:23:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:23:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200507170123.j6H1NZTd010650@mole.e-mol.com> In-Reply-To: References: <001601c58a0f$51da7120$cd7fbd43@cybert5042e076> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: e-mol.com, e-mail online X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 10280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Matt Arnold From: Matt Arnold Reply-To: mattarn@123.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Transhumanism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=oB5xVkoAgrpj_8lx1FHOPMS145idurY3X1rkePuNVkFwiKYGeg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24654 Ryan, I have brought this up with lojbanists privately in the past. Whether or not Lojban has an effect on the creation of AI, its best chance for a connection to Transhumanism is by augmenting _you and me_. -Matt lojban-list@lojban.org wrote: > >Hi, > >A smarter-than-human AI would have little need for any linear spoken >language, except for the purpose of communicating with humans. > >On the "Research Papers" page at www.goertzel.org, near the top, you'll find >a couple speculative papers I wrote regarding how Lojban could be useful for >AI. So far I have not succeeded in raising funding for implementing these >ideas, unfortunately. All in good time, though.... > >In the language I use in those papers, future AI's might choose to (or be >engineered to) communicate in something loosely equivalent to what I call >"normalized Lojban," in which sentences can be represented as mathematical >tree objects. AI's would have no need for Lojban's "syntactic sugar", which >serves the purpose of creating convenient linearizations of the mathematical >trees that represent Lojban semantics. > >-- Ben > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org >> [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Keppel >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:05 AM >> To: lojban-list@chain.digitalkingdom.org >> Subject: [lojban] Transhumanism >> >> >> Are there any others who see the link to transhumanism? A >> smarter-than-human >> intelligence would learn lojban quickly, and see its benefits >> immediately. >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > > > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.