From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 16:10:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7LQQ-0005Y1-Lv for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:09:54 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7LQN-0005Xu-A4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:09:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 40226 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 23:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050822230950.40223.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.32.165] by web81306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:09:50 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban phonology To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <737b61f305082119404d642179@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-archive-position: 10424 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Chris Capel wrote: > Is lojban phonology as underspecified as I > think? Probably; phonotactics (indeed everything) is no better specified than in CLL. Thus locational variants in pronunciation are not specified (except that palatalization is generally not allowed). So 't' may have any of the English variants (except glottal stop -- so any alveolar variant) and so approach the range of 'r' at the flap end. And so on. So there may well be Lojban dialects, corresponding -- at least originally to the antive language of the speaker (or those from whome he learned the language). In principle these differences can be ignored so long as voicing and point of articulation remain (and the individual speaker does not overlap -- 't' with 'r,' say). How this will work in practice we won't know til we get some practice. Or is there some > restriction on the modification of consonant > sounds in consonant > clusters? English has a number of these > modifications, and an English > speaker might carry these over to lojban. For > example, in the word > {citka}, an English speaker will almost always > pronounce the 't' not > as a alveolar plosive, but as an alveolar stop. > I'm sure there are > other examples. Is this sort of thing to be > avoided? To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.