Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90221 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7gNz-0002eg-JR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:32:47 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7gNQ-0002eA-B7; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:32:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7gN8-0002dx-VB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:55 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7gN3-0002dp-GD for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:54 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1748694wra for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.71.7 with SMTP id t7mr2530472wra; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.68.12 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605082314313432fb13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:31:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: <8f2fd4aa05082313582da5d6de@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8f2fd4aa05082313582da5d6de@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10427 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban-list Digest V4 #181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=0z9qk7M_mKrzg-93iFY5yj6wBc_S9uwfgtQG_kDfXlPsPv8mKA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24807 Content-Length: 1311 Lines: 37 On 8/23/05, Brandon Wirick wrote: > > Really? CLL ch. 4 says that no fu'ivla can be "any combination of > cmavo, gismu, and lujvo." That's correct. But notice that gismu and lujvo include stress as part of their definition. {setcati} cannot be read as {setca ti}, it is necessarily {se tcati}, because of the penultimate stress. And you know that the "a" there is stressed because of the space (or end of text) after {setcati}. > Since {menlibazimakcu} is a combination of > {menli ba zi makcu}, No, because the "e" of {menli} is not stressed, so it is just part of a fu'ivla. No gismu there. doesn't that make it a non-fu'ivla? I was under > the impression that white space is optional, (which makes short Lojban > phrases look really cool in my opinion,) but I am certainly open to > correction. White space is optional as long as stress is indicated, otherwise, the white space at the end of a brivla is itself the indicator of stress and can't be omitted. That's why I said {lekomEnlibazimakcu} was also a possibility. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.