From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Aug 04 20:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6175 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 03:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 03:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 03:01:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E0sSn-0002mg-6G for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:01:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E0sRq-0002m4-Aj; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:01:00 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E0sRV-0002lu-RO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:00:17 -0700 Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E0sRR-0002lM-BT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:00:17 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.135] (margay.ixazon.lan [192.168.25.135]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03046CBDB8 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42F2D602.4040406@phma.hn.org> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:59:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20050804230545.49199.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050804230545.49199.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 10307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: the meter is a unit of length X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Ix2isfMT82gi7PoNIx1Zf1RfsgmMd1m1GDN6ZFIOq_IhhbTI7w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24684 John E Clifford wrote: > > This doesn't look right. x1 of {gradu}is a unit > of measurement, x1 of {klani} is a magnitude on a > scalem so presumably a number or some such thing, > x1 of {mitre} is a physical object (which x1 of > {gradu} may be, but need not be, and x1 of > {klani} can't be). This may be as close as > Lojban gets to a Whorf effect: meters can't be > things here so we have to find some new way of > talking (and thinking?) around what we usually > say taking a meter to be a sort (but what sort?) > of thing. To me, x1 of {klani} is a thing being measured, just as x1 of {mitre} is, so it's a general unit word. So I use it to form words like {tcatymuclai}, using them like {litce} or {dekpu} or other such words: {le vi sanso cu tcatymuclai li re}. phma To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.