From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Aug 31 11:04:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41361 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 18:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 18:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 18:04:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWq3-00054H-Vk for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:57:32 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWpK-00053Z-PS; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:56:56 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWG2-0004l2-1C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:18 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWFy-0004kv-7L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:17 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so1044060nzb for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.2 with SMTP id j2mr586644nzj; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.8 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f2fd4aa05083110203971c210@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4315B245.4080803@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8f2fd4aa0508301744f04c745@mail.gmail.com> <4315B245.4080803@yandex.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10470 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: brandon@yrick.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Brandon Wirick From: Brandon Wirick Reply-To: brandon@yrick.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Orthography X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=eH-3jqyitatxPY0slU-50bPDPN6yaOcY8spgqdNppoOthxwnng X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24851 I certainly considered it, but {xy} is truly an unvoiced consonant, so it should be in the same family as the other unvoiced consonants. Since it is the only one without a voiced counterpart, {y'y} had nowhere to go, and they're somewhat similar sounds, I stuck {y'y} in that hole. I also considered putting {ry} there instead (doesn't a voiced velar fricative technically count as {ry}?) but that was weird all over, so I declined. On 8/31/05, Aleksej R. Serdyukov wrote: > Aren't "'" and "x" worth to be switched around in the table? To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.