Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:43:34 +0200
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From: "David KOCH" <lojban-out@lojban.org>
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I think that the Lojban's logo have more sense than Nike's.
At least Lojban'logo tend to express the mathematical background
of the language... For me the logo is enough by itself. Clear
design, historical reasons, many things that make the Lojban logo
unique, even the arrows at both ends of the axis, which makes
it distinguable from a simple mathematic draft :)

koCiz

Le Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:22:45 +0200, Brandon Wirick  
<brandon.wirick@gmail.com> a écrit:

> Xah has been expressing distaste for the Lojban logo, and it got me
> thinking. I am not totally satisfied with the logo, but for different
> reasons. I do not intend to bad-mouth anyone; I have a lot of respect
> for Iojbo culture and the logo that flies as its banner. I just think
> the purpose of the logo is undefined, and that shows in the design.
> Corporations and products have logos for advertisement and branding
> reasons. Nations have flags for cultural reasons. Lojban leans towards
> both and so its logo seems to be in an awkward design-space between
> flags and corporate logos.
>
> The logo doesn't look like a flag. Compare it to the others on
> lojban.org. Something about thin lines, arrowheads, and recognizable
> symbols make it seem less than prestigious, like Lojbanistan is a
> weak, weird nation. Ever since I saw the Rwandan flag, with the big
> black 'R' in the middle, I thought Rwanda was some sort of wannabe
> country. Although Lojbanistan is a virtual nation (I won't degrade the
> culture by calling it an "imaginary country") it shouldn't give the
> impression that it lacks authenticity.
>
> The logo doesn't look corporate. Corporations spend money on artists
> that craft imagery with precision and style, tucking away obvious
> features and simplifying shapes in order to create interest. It is a
> fact, not a judgment, that the LLG has not done this. This is not bad,
> because what is the LLG selling? What is the LLG trying to brand? A
> whole language? Hopefully not. However, it's not hard to create a
> commodity based on a concept. Almost anything can be made into a line
> of tee-shirts and a coffee mugs.
>
> I think that eventually Lojbanistan and the LLG's endorsements should
> become more visible than Lojban itself, so as to make people
> subliminally embarassed for not knowing what Lojban is. As people
> develop really neat technology built around Lojban, then people can
> say, "What do you mean, 'What's Lojban'? Please tell me you've heard
> of Project X... yeah, that's based completely on Lojban," and "Hey,
> have you gotten any virtual citizenships yet? I applied in
> Lojbanistan."
>
> Just as a brainstorm, I made a couple designs based on the existing
> logo, that kind of indicate where I see Lojban going in the future.
> Here's a flag idea: http://www.calpoly.edu/~bwirick/jbolanci.gif
> Here's, like, a tee-shirt design:  
> http://www.calpoly.edu/~bwirick/jbocpi.gif
> (Forgive the image quality; I don't have Illustrator)
>
> If anyone out there is doing something relevant to either of these,
> I'd love to know about it.
>
> Brandon Wirick
>
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