From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Aug 26 11:06:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45903 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iRo-0004sz-8S for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:57:00 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iRM-0004sE-1g; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:56:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iR4-0004s2-Om for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:56:14 -0700 Received: from web81310.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iR2-0004rt-6G for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:56:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 17009 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 17:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20050826175415.17007.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.32.165] by web81310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:15 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-archive-position: 10447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=PjUCjNR0PRw84_NZ3tMyR79xR2lh6jwJ0-XK3WRmlkvchdszyA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24828 --- Ben Goertzel wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't mean to re-open the Loglish discussion > on this list; it was very > useful to me but has probably run its natural > course. > > However, for those who are interested, I have > posted a revised version of my > initial Loglish overview document, which > benefited greatly from the feedback > of those on this list. > > http://www.goertzel.org/new_research/Loglish.htm > > Naturally, me being who I am, there are > probably still some errors here and > there ;-) > > The next step in the development of the Loglish > concept would be the actual > implementation of a Loglish parser. One of my > colleagues plans to do this > over the next couple months, but we'll see if > it actually comes about and at > what rate! When/if a Loglish parser is > completed I'll put it online and > announce it here so y'all can appropriately and > good-naturedly rip it to > shreds ;-) (continuing) The "quu" device for pronouns is useful but still leaves a lot of problems (not so many, perhaps, as the various Lojban systems or their combination, but some). The Ming and Flash case, for example. I am not sure there is a totally satisfactory solution in terms of pronouns, hence the joke aphorism. I find it hard to believe that Lojban, which, like Loglan, is very sensitive about right hand ends, does not already have terminators for {zei} and {fi'o} (although as you are using it this needs a LHE terminator). And, indeed, {fi'o} has {fe'u}, but {zei} always works with one word at a time (so maybe you need "qui" after all. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.