From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Aug 18 12:49:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85328 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E5qNw-0007TK-58 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:08 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E5qN7-0007Sb-0S; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:48:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E5qMm-0007SG-UA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:47:57 -0700 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E5qMd-0007S8-Mx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:47:56 -0700 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8564C8A1 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.130] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:47:43 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.130 IN rkeppel@usa.net uadvg130.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID958JHRTvr1464X02 Received: from uwdvg007.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.7] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 287JHRTvp0306M30; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:47:41 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.7 AUTO rkeppel@usa.net uwdvg007.cms.usa.net Received: from 131.252.16.101 [131.252.16.101] by uwdvg007.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.7.32); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:47:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:47:41 -0700 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.7.32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <738JHRTvO5104S07.1124394461@uwdvg007.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Z-USANET-MsgId: XID287JHRTvp0306X30 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-archive-position: 10408 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rkeppel@usa.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Ryan Keppel From: Ryan Keppel Reply-To: rkeppel@usa.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Probation (was Re: Re: tone of letter) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=9x2QlkXbcE7-en3pILSCvjKlSww4L8h4urSvYeEzKrvI3J1SXg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24787 WTF? I just gave lojban $256 because they are trying to do something interesting with respect to transhumanism. What are you trying to do? Sharpen your skills for a job interview? What does this have to do with your career? ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:42 PM PDT From: xah lee To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Probation (was Re: Re: tone of letter) > Folks, look at this highness, who has the verve to declare me “ON > PROBATION!!” in public. Let's do a little behavioral analysis, from > which, we can get a glimpse of a human animal's heart. > > If a moderator did consider a member overboard, she can send a private > warning. If the act is egregious such as spam, the moderator can ban > the guy outright. > > but a righteous OpenSourcer will come forth with judiciousness and > leniency and declare a “probation”! > > Look at the attachment: “Consider yourself on probation for the > INDEFINATE FUTURE” > > Such a kindness and decisiveness. And look: > > “... you will be banned from this list, and ALL OTHERS I RUN.” > > Such encompassing consideration. > > Look at this commandeering rub-in: “Just For The Record: Not changing > the logo.”! > > as i have alluded to before, the drive behind behaviors such as this is > a power struggle. An instinctive kind of show off to see who's the > boss, esp by ones who posses power and can wield it in a popular way in > the name of good deeds. Folks, if you never experienced politics, this > is a firsthand show. > > Dear Robin Lee Powell — Secretary and webmaster of Logical Language > Group Inc, if there is an epitome representing the worst aspects of > OpenSourcers, you'd be the one. Consider this as a gift of judgement > from me to you based on our acquaintance. > > Xah > xah@xahlee.org > ∑ http://xahlee.org/ > > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 06:33:41PM +1200, Michael van der Gulik > wrote: > > MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 8/14/2005 5:22:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >> ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > >> > >> > >>> PS This message is not directed at any individual, and i have > >>> not one person in the lojban community in which i hold grudge. > >> > >> Perhaps you have no grudge against anyone in particular, but the > >> tone of your emails about the logo is revolting. It reads like > >> an attack on all of us, despite your disclaimer. The insults > >> ("morons") and foul language ("fuck", "shit") do not help you at > >> all. > >> > > I second that. I'm not planning to take part in a thread that > > starts like that, but I am going to protest against the language > > and tone used. > > That's two explicit complaints. The first we've had in years, if > ever. Not Cool. > > Xah, please consider yourself on probation. If anyone else > complains (whether publically or privately to me) about your > rudeness in any posts you make after this one, you will be banned > from this list, and all others I run. > > Consider yourself on probation for the indefinate future. > > -Robin, LLG Secretary > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > ☄ > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -From Ryan. 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