From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Aug 16 11:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52498 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 18:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 18:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 18:38:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E56KI-0000dZ-QD for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:38:18 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E56Is-0000cY-Ek; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:54 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E56Ib-0000cP-1Y for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:33 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E56IY-0000cG-7N for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:32 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so2696wra for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.30.54 with SMTP id d54mr4437506wrd; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.68.12 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605081611366e687c98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:36:28 -0300 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050816150632.25334.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglish: A Modest Proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=GePIhZHltjLocZ5vRYJqglz4rYJdNNWqoYNUPkBl_A2eQvaPXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24766 On 8/16/05, Ben Goertzel wrote: > For instance, I was thinking about something like a "queh" > reference-indicator, to be used as in > > "Lo man go lo playground. It queh man kill lo dog. It eat lo cat." > > ("The man goes to the playground. He kills the dog. He eats the cat.") I think you need {cu} in front of "go" and "kill", otherwise you get tanru: "lo man go" would be "the man goer" and "man kill" would be "man killer". Also "go" could be confused with the cmavo {go}. > The idea here is that "it" is used as a generic referential indicator, but > "queh" is used to precede a qualitative indicator of what the "it" refers > back to. Then, subsequent uses of "it" are assumed to keep referring back > to the same referent, until another use of "it" coupled with "queh" > ooccurs... That's just how Lojban {goi} works. Lojban also has {fi'o}, which is just like your "quu", except for word order: "lo pliers quu weapon" = {fi'o -weapon lo -pliers} (or rather {fi'o xarci lo cinza}.) And while {zei} is not exactly the same as "qui", since you don't have lujvo in Loglish you could use it for that. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.