From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Aug 30 08:52:53 2005 Return-Path: Date: Tue Aug 30 08:52:53 2005 X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87751 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2005 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EA8Pq-0006ie-Hc for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:52:50 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EA8OY-0006hq-3Q; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:51:34 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EA8OF-0006hh-7X for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:51:11 -0700 Received: from mx18.yandex.ru ([213.180.200.18]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EA8OA-0006hY-2V for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:51:11 -0700 Received: from h119.keldysh.ru ([194.226.57.119]:43689 "EHLO [194.226.57.119]" smtp-auth: "deletesoftware" TLS-CIPHER: "DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA keybits 256/256 version TLSv1/SSLv3" TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S3375515AbVH3Puy convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:50:54 +0400 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at mx18.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: deletesoftware Message-ID: <43144310.4010903@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:29:20 +0400 Organization: Delete Software Limited User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f2fd4aa05082313582da5d6de@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605082314313432fb13@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa05082316284b2b3763@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160508240651591fb7df@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa050824101538967457@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605082411443d1e75a9@mail.gmail.com> <430E17E4.8070504@yandex.ru> <925d17560508260627655e83df@mail.gmail.com> <430F624A.5070009@yandex.ru> <925d17560508270742790f5a58@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560508270742790f5a58@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10464 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: deletesoftware@yandex.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Aleksej R. Serdyukov" From: "Aleksej R. Serdyukov" Reply-To: deletesoftware@yandex.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban-list Digest V4 #181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=PufGLy-_re_j4YMdxRfBQ69cNGQ_a_yKZ2AcoTWsaaLFonzUbw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24845 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 8/26/05, Aleksej R. Serdyukov wrote: >>>>Will {zai basna bu tcita bu} work to mark that? >>>In what context? >>I'd thought that zai . . shows that, since this place, the text will be >>using the alphabet specified by it? > > Not the text, just the lerfu that come after it. The alphabet used to write > the text is not specified within the text. Alphabet shifts really don't have > much use in the language. .y. .uinai So it's impossible to specify the orphography?.. >>>{zai} converts the following lerfu or tei-foi group into an >>>alphabet shift, so you'd probably want >>>{zai tei basna bu tcita bu foi} or {zai basnytcita bu}. >>The list says "zai" is a 2-word letteral shift. So does jbofi'e think. > > Yes, {zai} is the first word, and the immediately following lerfu or > tei-foi group is the second "word". Er.. isn't it: zai [alphabet name] [1st word in the alphabet] [2nd word in the alphabet] ? What's the use of shifting an alphabet of one word to unspecified? Or rather: zai [alphabet indicator letter] [a letter meaning a letter in the alphabet] (according to what jbofihe says: 0[{<(1zai a bu)1 e bu> BOI} VAU])0 ) >>It's an edited alphabet, isn't it? > > But what will you use it for? When would it be needed? It looks better. And I had thought that zai was for switching Lojban orthographies. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.