Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97705 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 19:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 19:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 19:19:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E41X8-0006ll-7i for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:19:06 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E41WA-0006k3-Px; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:18:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E41Vs-0006ju-9u for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:17:48 -0700 Received: from [208.234.8.229] (helo=intelligenesiscorp.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E41Vo-0006jn-AG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:17:48 -0700 Received: from zombiethustra (pcp06586041pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.24.121]) by intelligenesiscorp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7DJHexF017097 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:17:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050813134805.50464.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ben@goertzel.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Ben Goertzel" From: "Ben Goertzel" Reply-To: ben@goertzel.org Subject: [lojban] Loglish: A Modest Proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=yLop7zJAnHPpzddvjVjyCZAYXPBtXZ48GBYn01JswiJiPhn4RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24707 Content-Length: 1303 Lines: 40 Hi, In the spirit of irritating and hopefully also intriguing and/or entertaining the nice people on this list, I present the following hastily typed-in Web page: http://www.goertzel.org/new_research/Loglish.htm which proposes a "new" language defined as a hybridization of English and Lojban. The language definition is rough and probably needs some kinks worked out, but I guess the basic idea should be clear to anyone who knows the rudiments of Lojban (which is all I know...). Probably many people have thought of defining a language of this nature, but I haven't seen the idea formalized or explicitly described anywhere (if you know of some source that I've overlooked, please let me know). As noted at the end of the document, I fully realize that Loglish as I define it does not fulfill all the goals of Lojban, but I think it does fulfill the goal of being a language grounded in predicate logic which would be significantly easier to gain true, full conversational and written fluency in than Lojban. Followup thoughts are welcome... -- Ben Goertzel To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.