From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 09 14:37:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDqYO-0008Uy-W1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:37:01 -0700 Received: from h-66-134-26-207.nycmny83.covad.net ([66.134.26.207] helo=pi.meson.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDqYF-0008Um-U7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:37:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 19462 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 21:36:45 -0000 Received: from nagas.meson.org (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (1000@192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 21:36:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4322006C.7000905@kli.org> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:36:44 -0400 From: "Mark E. Shoulson" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: detcartu la renonoxanan. References: <925d1756050909114649d4da7b@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605090914066527a451@mail.gmail.com> <20050909212649.GO23157@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20050909212649.GO23157@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 06:06:52PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > >>But for days of the week things are more confusing. Not everybody >>agrees which day is day 1. I believe Russian and Portuguese for >>example both use numbers for the names of the days, but they don't >>agree on where to start the count. >> >> > >Do their names for the days correspond to monday, tuesday, etc, in >an obvious fashion? If not, I'd say it's totally irrelevant. If >so, I'd like documentation, please. > > FWIW, Hebrew doesn't have names for days either, except Saturday. The others are "First Day," "Second Day," "Third Day," etc. up to "Sixth Day." Also written as "Day A," "Day B," "Day C," etc. (letters are often used for numbers in Hebrew). "First Day" is Sunday. Saturday is "Sabbath" (shabbat, שבת). This and the Russian/Porteguese numberings, if true, are probably all irrelevant. I think ISO defined the week to begin on Monday, so if we're using numbers for the weekdays at least that has some claim to neutrality. If we're not, then any names we come up with are going to be either arbitrary or culturally biased or both. Sun and Moon for Sunday and Monday are very widespread, but that's just because Roman culture is widespread. Then again, since Roman culture is the (immediate) ancestor for the seven-day week in today's society, maybe that's not so "biased." Welsh has planetary names for *all* the days (and nights) of the weeks, btw. Many languages miss out at least one (dimanche, etc...) ~mark To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.