From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 19 13:31:42 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHSIW-0000YS-MG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:32 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EHSIS-0000YL-3g for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:32 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so247979nzf for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Db+tCWRgOrNWjutlUvB3YCV33c07/fEDUThjFy/kP9yQw55QVdUXGRnuRvc+yLjbFCzzUgUkZWPASB5uRXvZkC9jXLrXhcHFyuQRXhvdPnjYBG1HBO3HDOUo7NXid4D7HS4EVG0t2FZ37P5FX4j8VdT4EaVRTcqXIKik0kpCWBs= Received: by 10.54.40.52 with SMTP id n52mr1310863wrn; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605091913312603b4d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:21 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Wheels in my Head In-Reply-To: <8f2fd4aa05091913045c8f582@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8f2fd4aa05091500343852e987@mail.gmail.com> <200509151546.42138.phma@phma.hn.org> <8f2fd4aa05091514151b3f6cb7@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa05091514431061dd5b@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605091518303b4b7bb2@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa0509151931507cdc42@mail.gmail.com> <925d1756050916175611735157@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa050919121768d577a1@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605091912523f60e105@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa05091913045c8f582@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/19/05, Brandon Wirick wrote: > Wait, what about {.uAcintyn.}? I don't see any convention for > diphthongs that start with {ibu} or {ubu}. That's why I said for the most complex type of syllable, which are the most numerous. (Maybe complex is not the right word because they can be quite simple. The most common type, perhaps.) That doesn't cover consonantal syllables, syllables with affricate onset (tca, tsen, djau, dzoi), syllables with semiconsonant onset (ua, bie, niai) and syllables with an apostrophe onset ('a, 'ik, 'ei, 'aub). These should be somehow squeezed in the holes left by the general system. mu'o mi'e xorxes > > On 9/19/05, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > On 9/19/05, Brandon Wirick wrote: > > > This is great! I had no idea such work existed. My task will be > > > difficult, however, to sensibly encode these syllables into sixteen > > > bits. > > > > Dificult, yes. With 17 bits, the most complex type could be > > encoded as: > > > > 1 bit: stressed, unstressed > > 1 bit: voiced onset, unvoiced onset > > 2 bits: -, c/j, s/z > > 3 bits: -, p/b, k/g, t/d, f/v, x, m, n > > 2 bits: -, l, r > > 4 bits: a, e, i, o, u, ai, au, ei, oi, y > > 4 bits: -, c/j, s/z, p/b, k/g, t/d, f/v, x, m, n, l, r > > > > (the voicedness of the coda is determined by the > > voiceness of the following syllable, not by that of the onset, > > obviously.) > > > > Then the other types of syllables, which are simpler, can > > be encoded in the holes left by this scheme. But 16 bits... > > it seems hard. > > > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.