From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Sep 28 14:15:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78523 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 21:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 21:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 21:15:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKjFG-0008NI-EG for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:13:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKjEm-0008M1-Aj; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:13:16 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKjES-0008Lj-6U for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:12:52 -0700 Received: from web81310.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKjEQ-0008La-0q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:12:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 12761 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2005 21:12:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20050928211245.12759.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.34.50] by web81310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:12:44 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:12:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-archive-position: 10667 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: adverbs to indicate whose standard is used X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=e68zH9WGz6ALYMh19zEKoLdr4yMzKj4lH-1r5PopTCzfyHdV5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25052 The short first answer is know. Lojban woudl probably cover this need with tanru based variously on words for personal or self, group, and society -- with maybe a few more. There may be something else buried in cmavo space somewhere, but, if there is not, it is unlikely we will add them, even though the idea looks worth embodying. --- Matt Arnold wrote: > A friend of mine blogged the following: > > "We need a couple of new adverbs (or maybe I > just need to find existing > ones) that indicate whose definition of a word > we are using: our's, our > subculture's, or society-at-large's. They need > to be simple enough to insert > comfortably into casual conversation; single > syllable, and preferably not > syllables that could be mistaken for other > adverbs. > > Why? > > 1. I'd like to be able to say 'I like > foo-bad girls' without stopping > to explain that by foo-bad, I mean girls > that society-at-large labels as > bad. In this case, because they are sexually > agressive, but that was implied > in the conversation. > 2. There are lots of people out there with > no idea that there's a > difference. Fundamentalism is built (in > part) on this misunderstanding. If > the truth of it gets pushed into language > itself, they'll have to fight a > lot harder to hide it. > > Unfortunately, the 'foo' in reason 1 won't > work; it's a metasyntactic > variable, already in heavy circulation among > geeks. And I can't think of any > good ideas off the top of my head. Any ideas?" > > The reason I'm sending this to the Lojban list > is to ask, does Lojban > contain this feature or anything remotely > similar? What is the best way in > Lojban, if any, to say what he is trying to > say? If we provide a Lojban word > or term for this that can be dropped into > conversation, it might spread > virally (who knows?) and anyone wondering about > its etymology would probably > find out about the existence of Lojban. > -epkat > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.