From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Sep 08 09:24:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41458 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 16:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 16:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 16:24:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDPBk-0004cD-Ls for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:23:48 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDPAb-0004bO-3M; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:40 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDPAH-0004bB-Ge for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:17 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDPAD-0004b0-Bv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 86394 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2005 16:22:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050908162210.86392.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.32.165] by web81306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:10 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:22:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-archive-position: 10530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Orthography X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=W5q3bbbxF5HK7sqDbE7SFXRVEKM-bocUO1L0MZGCvzitO3raWA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24912 --- Christopher Zervic wrote: > There already exists a standard notation for > the segments of the > seven-segment display (7SD), (which is really > what we are talking > about, not necessarily LED, LCD or even > anything illuminated or > electronic): > > A (top) > B (upper right) > C (lower right) > D (bottom) > E (lower left) > F (upper left) > G (middle) > and the '8th segment' = DP (decimal point) > > 1 = BC > 2 = ABDEG > 3 = ABCDG > 4 = BCFG > 5 = ACDFG > 6 = ACDEFG > 7 = ABC > 8 = ABCDEFG > 9 = ABCDFG > 0 = ABCDEF > > So far I like what I read in this thread, > although it remains yet to > see whether it proves to be practical, since > Lojban already has > perfect orthographic mapping. Nevertheless the > suggested alphabet > could draw inspiration from the Shaw Alphabet > (q.v.), and be practical > for English as well. Yeah, there is no real need for yet another way of writing Lojban, even a another way that is only for Lojban. People have shown how to write Lojban in just about every known alphabet (I don't recall a cuneiform version but I expect it is out there somewhere) and it at least three more or less developed novel alphabets. No advantages over the latin alphabet we use has been demonstrated. But they are intersting design projects in their own right. Sorry about misremembering the order of segments in 7-segment displays. I think that my ordering came from the ordering in 11- and 15-segment displays (roughly contemporay with 7 and 14 and 16 and, even more than they obliterated by 7-pin dot matrices). Those displays had either xs in each small box or a diamond in the whole (or in each box for the 15) and the xs were each either two segments or four. If you drop those box fillers out the remaining seven lines were -- I am pretty damned sure -- ordered as I gave it. Below are (for the record) the equivalences between the official and this muddled version (I put the binarization of the official version in parentheses). 1 D (8) A (64) 64 2 E (4) AB (96) 96 3 DE (12) ABC (112) 100 4 C (16) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.