From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Sep 22 07:10:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41573 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 14:10:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIRmi-0002LY-EB for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:10:48 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIRl0-0002JA-MR; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:09:05 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIRkf-0002J1-CB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:41 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIRkc-0002It-PM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:41 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so204308nzf for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.52.46 with SMTP id z46mr3190293wrz; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605092207083d0c46bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:08:37 -0300 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160509212025136270e0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160509212025136270e0@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "Safety and treatment of immigrants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=9mlqOYv-v12t56C5M4J-IfXGOAEorFCZbYcFF1nhkQKNJ5CSMA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25005 On 9/22/05, Adam COOPER wrote: > "The fires have raised questions over the safety and treatment of immigrants." > > Let's split this up. > "The fires have raised questions over ..." > { lo'i fagri cu se jalge lo nu preti zo'e } I'd say {loi fagri}. I take {lo'i} to be for mathematical sets, so I don't really ever use it. > "the safety of immigrants" > { lo ka loi fange xabju cu no'e kau snura } > That's a guess. I wish there were a question word in NAhE... I don't use {ka} without an explicit or implicit {ce'u}, so I'd say {lo du'u xu kau lo fange xabju cu snura}. The English might be closer to {lo ka xu kau ce'u snura kei pe lo fange xabju}, but in Lojban that's more complicated and less precise. Some people use {jei} for {du'u xu kau}, so that would give {lo jei lo fange xabju cu snura}. > "the treatment of immigrants" > { lo ka loi fange xabju cu no'e kau xamgu se broda } > Umm... at least it parses zo'o {frigau}: x1 makes x2 undergo experience x3 x1 treats x2 in manner x3 mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.