From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Sep 15 12:48:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38615 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EFziF-0001Ui-9f for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:48:03 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EFzhJ-0001Tu-I7; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:47:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EFzh1-0001Ti-4q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:46:47 -0700 Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EFzgy-0001Ta-IC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:46:47 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB788D9C; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:46:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8f2fd4aa05091500343852e987@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8f2fd4aa05091500343852e987@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509151546.42138.phma@phma.hn.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 10595 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Wheels in my Head X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=9HEFm4NAVv8loM1fOd6B08Vk4vopheYctizE9akafW_w4IQ98w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24978 On Thursday 15 September 2005 03:34, Brandon Wirick wrote: > I really am working on the program to visualize 7SD characters in a > Lojban context; don't anyone think I've put that on the back-burner. I > have, however, come up with yet another fun and mostly useless idea. I > would like to devise a ray to represent every conceivable Lojban > syllable in exactly two bytes apiece (I'm counting a consonant > followed by a {denpa bu} as a syllable). The way I've broken it up in > my mind is into four nybbles (four-bit numbers for those non-computer > people). > > Nybble #1 would include the voiced and unvoiced consonant pairs (not > {ly}, {my}, {ny}, or {ry}, and I don't know about {xy}) and a null > sound. > > Nybble #0 would precede Nybble #1 with any consonant or a null sound > (maybe a {slaka bu}, but Nybble #1 would set the voice, so Nybble #0 > in both {tca} and {dja} would be the same (a sort of {ty}-{dy} pair) > but Nybble #1 would differ. > > Nybble #2 could include the consonants {ly}, {my}, {ny}, or {ry}; the > vowels {ibu} or {ubu}; any vowel followed by {y'y}; a {denpa bu}; or a > null sound > > Nybble #3 could include any vowel, lowercase or capitalized, or one of > the diphthongs {ai}, {au}, {ei}, or {oi}. > > Some Nybble combinations would not be allowed, like those that result > in double letters, but the point is to cover the set of Lojban > syllables. This system is not perfect, so I'm open to suggestions, but > it probably won't serve any practical purpose, so feel free to ignore > this if you don't care. I'm a bit confused by your notation, as you seem to be using {...} for both a letter (or string of letters) and the Lojban name of a letter. What definition of the set of Lojban syllables are you using? There's the pre-BPFK one, which isn't well specified; the one by xorxes; and mine, which I haven't put on the wiki yet. The pre-BPFK one allows arbitrarily long syllables, such as {ststststststa}; the other two don't. Both x's and mine (IIRR; I haven't looked at his lately) have syllables consisting of a consonant followed by 'r', 'n', 'l', or 'm'; these (except for 'm') are used in type-3 fu'ivla such as {sma,cr,ko,bai,u} "guinea pig". Consonantal syllables are not counted for stress, so {bakrto} (some edible mammal mentioned in the Bible) is stressed on {ba}. Syllables can end in consonants, such as {bif,mlo} "windmill", and I allow a syllable to end in 'r', 'n', 'l', or 'm' followed by a consonant, such as {tark,sa,ko} "dandelion". I also allow an initial cluster followed by any diphthong, such as {tcio,te} "annatto", which xorxes doesn't. phma To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.