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--- Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have attempted to make a chart in which I
> count in binary using LCD clock 
> characters.
>
http://www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/LCD_binary_chart.jpg
> Black represents on, blue represents off. There
> are a hundred and twenty 
> eight, if you include zero, so that matches
> John's count. I'm fairly sure 
> every possible way for it to light up is
> represented in this chart. Each of 
> the seven strokes is to represent a digit in a
> binary number, and John 
> described the scheme as follows:
> top, upper right, upper left, middle, lower
> right, lower left, bottom
> I would have numbered them but I don't know how
> to count in binary so I 
> don't know if I've got them in the wrong order.
> Can somebody type out a 
> comma-separated or space-separated list
> numbering them according to what 
> each represents? For instance, unless I am
> mistaken, I think the first row 
> is: 
> 0
> and the second row is:
> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> ...I think. The last row is:
> 128
> Then I'll remake the chart, numbered, and put
> it online. Then when we 
> discuss changes to DSO we could just refer to a
> character by number and look 
> it up to know what somebody's talking about.
> -epkat
> 
> On 9/5/05, Brandon Wirick <brandon@yrick.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > It certainly doesn't suck! Good idea on the
> vowels. Too bad it's
> > impossible to do that with only connected
> characters.
> > 
> > Maybe I can create an applet or something
> that generates orthographies
> > from a hex string. That way we can all play
> around with orthographies
> > and communicate along these lines:
> > "Check out this orthography: 4FA39F6..."
> > "Ooh, I like what you did with {ty} and {dy},
> but I think it would be
> > better if you did this: 4FA3C96..."
> > 
> > I'll get on that soon, or if anyone else is
> itching to do it, be my guest.
> > 
> > mu'omi'e.uirik.
> > 
> > On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold
> <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > No doubt this image has other problems, but
> I tried to visualize a DSO 
> > in
> > > which vowels were horizontally symmetrical.
> Also, in this version I
> > > eliminated the characters made of two
> unattached vertical lines because
> > > those were a pain to write with. The red
> characters represent the 
> > original
> > > characters which were replaced. Here's the
> link:
> > >
>
http://www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/lcd_clock_alphabet.gif
> > > Currently I'm drawing a chart of all
> possible arrangements of segments 
> > that
> > > can be in one character. I believe, but am
> not sure, that they are in 
> > binary
> > > code order. After I upload it, I'd like
> somebody who understands binary 
> > to
> > > number them in The Gimp or some such image
> program so we can use John's
> > > numbering scheme and reference the chart.
 In my system (we really need to get these three
together), the lines are
0
64  16  32    8    2    4    1
80  96  72  66  68  65 
48  24  18  20  17
40  34  36  33
10 12    9
6   3
5
112  88  82  84  81
104  98  100  97
74  76  73
70  67
69
56  50  64  49
26  28  25
22  19
21
120  114  116  113
90  92  89
86  83
85
42
41  44
37  35  38
7  13  11  14
106
105  108
101  99 102
71  77  75  78
58
57  60
53  51  54
23  29  27  30
15  39  45  43  46
122
121  124
117  115  118
87  93  91  94
19  103  109  107  110
47  31  55  61  59  62
63  111 91  119  125  123  126
127
So far, suggestions are (Arnold, Brandon1,
Brandon2 (incomplete), Clifford (many arbitrary))
a     62 45 - 59
A    124 109 - 123
b     31 31 47 31
c     43 43 - 43
d     26 26 39 26
e     15 27 - 61
E    79 97 - 125
f     39 42 - 42 
g    27 22 - 83
i     7 39 - 39
I    71 103 - 103
j    29 29 - 29
k   45 38 - 101
l    19 19 19 19
m  64 33 63 27
n   30 17 55 45
o   63 46 - 46
O  127 110 - 110
p   47 47 31 47
r   37 37 37 37
s   42 41 - 108
t   44 44 23 44
u  55 23 - 23
U 119 87 - 87
v  23 28 - 28
x  41 34 62 62
y  57 30 - 30 
Y 121 94 - 94
z  28 25 - 40
‘  25 20 – 16 (32)
,  21 21 - 2 (4)
.  35 35 – 5 (or 3)
1 - - - 36 (18)
2 - - - 107
3 - - - 109
4 - - - 60
5 - - - 93
6 - - - 95
7 - - - 100
8 - - - 127
9 - - - 125
0 - - - 119


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