From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Sep 08 15:20:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58637 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 22:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 22:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 22:20:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDUkS-0002K3-Oh for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:20:00 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDUkA-0002I1-8P; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:19:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDUUq-00024k-Ab for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:03:52 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDUUo-00024c-AR for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:03:52 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so1098482wra for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.52.59 with SMTP id z59mr6439388wrz; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.7 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605090815037f1116e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:03:41 -0300 In-Reply-To: <6d05615ec054387b5fe7b527ec03608a@xahlee.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <6d05615ec054387b5fe7b527ec03608a@xahlee.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10545 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban's difficulty X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=ysDQDqNRMWGPO_E3X_w7fXpQIGH8HxB6ICn1x6Jv13iqVSl8MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24927 On 9/8/05, xah lee wrote: > > here for example, who's to think what juice should be a mass or not? > All a person really want to say is some juice, but lojban forces > certain classification of meaning. You can say {lo jisra} and that's fine. {lo} is the unmarked gadri, no classification implied, you can't go wrong with it. (Still, I think you are right that Lojban is not as easy as touted, but in most cases you are not required to make a distinction if you don't need or don't want to make it.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.