From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Sep 28 06:23:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92390 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 13:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 13:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 13:14:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKblR-0005mq-Ae for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:14:25 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKbkl-0005lM-5v; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKbkS-0005lB-MN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:24 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKbkO-0005l3-AI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:24 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so715163nzf for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.40.72 with SMTP id n72mr2534470wrn; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605092806134b1a5f90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:19 -0300 In-Reply-To: <5b024817050927215671c42026@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <5b024817050927215671c42026@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10660 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Treasure of its owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=km9W5uOF6IaxxeOaDCDdf8uBZdBewsopw52enZV8Vn1xF1n9ig X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25046 On 9/28/05, Sanghyeon Seo wrote: > I want to say analog of "treasure of its owner" in Lojban. How do I > translate "it" in the phrase? > > lo dirba be lo ponse be ... what? Not {ri}, because {lo dirba...} > isn't closed yet, I think. There is no direct way of doing that. The experimental cmavo {poi'i} of selma'o NU has been proposed for it, so that you would say: lo poi'i ke'a dirba lo ponse be ke'a It has also been suggested that {ka} abstractions could be given an x2 place to the same effect, so as not to use a new cmavo: lo se ka ke'a dirba lo ponse be ke'a see: The proposed form {poi'i} comes from the similar form with {da} instead of {lo}: da poi ke'a dirba lo ponse be ke'a mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.