From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Sep 27 16:56:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64286 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 23:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 23:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 23:56:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKPIw-0001DW-4V for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:56:10 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKPHB-00016N-MR; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:54:34 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKPGq-000143-Jg for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:54:00 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKPGk-00012v-4t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:54:00 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so584874nzf for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.13.13 with SMTP id 13mr2142294wrm; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560509271653394ff3c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:53:53 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10652 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo podcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=u45lPAgQc93Toms5ZHvTGPnXW9OwRmAAWEQiINQbxGQA1sztvg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25037 On 9/27/05, Matt Arnold wrote: > I would like to run an audio article on the Lojban podcast about xorlo's use > of {lo} and {le}, contrasting them with the old meanings, offering a rundown > of the reasons, and confirming the current status of xorlo's voted-upon > legitimacy or lack thereof. The contrary accounts of this key language > feature is one of the most confusing discrepancies likely to plague > newcomers, and it would be good to have an expert clear it up once and for > all. I would write it, but I myself am vague on the subject. Any takers? > -epkat Perhaps some advice one could give to newcomers is to ignore the confusing discrepancies and go with whatever makes more sense to them. It is extremely hard to come up with an incorrect use of {lo} in xorlo anyway, because all {lo} does is change a selbri into a sumti, a purely syntactical matter. Here is an example of something that was very hard to say before and now is easy: mi terpa ci da no'u lo jukni .e lo gerku .e lo nu le tsani cu farlu le stedu be mi "I fear exactly three things: spiders, dogs and that the sky fall on my head." mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.