From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 23 10:03:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99119 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIqwu-00034T-DY for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:03:00 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIqwB-000311-Gq; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:02:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIqvs-0002pf-GW for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:01:56 -0700 Received: from web81302.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIqvn-0002pU-Iq for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:01:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 11013 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2005 17:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050923170150.11011.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.34.50] by web81302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:01:50 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:01:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-archive-position: 10632 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Fly, Peacock, Fly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=NA5qzXwE4NrPlo7Hrs4K0XZ4riBHKVtNfRget0MlzAR12p-lxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25016 --- Matt Arnold wrote: > On 9/23/05, Jorge Llambías > wrote: > > > > > mu'i le nu le'i se kecti pinfu > > > for the poor prisoners > > > > I would say {lei} or {le} instead of {le'i}, > since mathematical > > sets can't really be free or not free. > > > > I thought le'i meant "the set of those > described". It does, but (Canotorean) sets rarely have the properties of their members and, in particular, they are not the sort of things that can be free (or bound, or up above, for that matter). > That may be enough, but if you want to be more > literal > > maybe something like {cu co'a zifre gau} to > indicate that > > they are set free and not just that they > start to be free. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.